x2900xt/x reviewed

think it was dailytech, and the 2900xt is half way between 8800 gts 640 and gtx. the xtx sucks and only performs about 2 fps more than the xt, don%26#39;t know why it sucks. You would think they would just let it die if it didn%26#39;t even outperform its little brother.x2900xt/x reviewed
[QUOTE=''imrlybord7'']think it was dailytech, and the 2900xt is half way between 8800 gts 640 and gtx. the xtx sucks and only performs about 2 fps more than the xt, don%26#39;t know why it sucks. You would think they would just let it die if it didn%26#39;t even outperform its little brother.[/QUOTE]It was IT tech and there fake benchmarks x2900xt/x reviewed
Here we go again.....
dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7043
I refuse to let this start again....By the power of greyskull, close this thread!
NDAs are in effect. So we have to wait until they all start releasing information before we see some real reviews.
@ staryoshi: sorry, but I didn%26#39;t see any other threads like this, thought everyone took a day off or sumtin
[QUOTE=''imrlybord7'']@ staryoshi: sorry, but I didn%26#39;t see any other threads like this, thought everyone took a day off or sumtin[/QUOTE] I spose I can forgive you...everybody gets one =P
Old news, but yeah, unfortunately for ATI, the 2900XTX sure is shaping up to be the next FX5800 Ultra--from the enormous cooler to the questionable performance. 
[QUOTE=''My_name_a_Borat'']Old news, but yeah, unfortunately for ATI, the 2900XTX sure is shaping up to be the next FX5800 Ultra--from the enormous cooler to the questionable performance. [/QUOTE]Psstt.... the cooler is smaller then the GTX%26#39;s and about the same size as the GTS%26#39;....
[QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''My_name_a_Borat'']Old news, but yeah, unfortunately for ATI, the 2900XTX sure is shaping up to be the next FX5800 Ultra--from the enormous cooler to the questionable performance. [/QUOTE]Psstt.... the cooler is smaller then the GTX%26#39;s and about the same size as the GTS%26#39;.... [/QUOTE]Yet still questionable performance.

[QUOTE=''el_carl''][QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''My_name_a_Borat'']Old news, but yeah, unfortunately for ATI, the 2900XTX sure is shaping up to be the next FX5800 Ultra--from the enormous cooler to the questionable performance. [/QUOTE]Psstt.... the cooler is smaller then the GTX%26#39;s and about the same size as the GTS%26#39;.... [/QUOTE]Yet still questionable performance.
[/QUOTE]Seeing as how no reliable benchmark has been released, we don%26#39;t know it%26#39;s true performance...
[QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''el_carl''][QUOTE=''LordEC911''][QUOTE=''My_name_a_Borat'']Old news, but yeah, unfortunately for ATI, the 2900XTX sure is shaping up to be the next FX5800 Ultra--from the enormous cooler to the questionable performance. [/QUOTE]Psstt.... the cooler is smaller then the GTX%26#39;s and about the same size as the GTS%26#39;.... [/QUOTE]Yet still questionable performance.
[/QUOTE]Seeing as how no reliable benchmark has been released, I we don%26#39;t know it%26#39;s true performance... [/QUOTE]True, I wish people would stop getting us all excited and stop the rumors.

[QUOTE=''el_carl'']True, I wish people would stop getting us all excited and stop the rumors.
[/QUOTE]Well, I am all for rumors/speculation, that is one of the main draws for me, but people need to understand that it is only rumors/speculation and take it at face value.  Every single benchmark/review you see before the NDA is expired needs to be taken with a large spoon of salt.
[QUOTE=''My_name_a_Borat'']Old news, but yeah, unfortunately for ATI, the 2900XTX sure is shaping up to be the next FX5800 Ultra--from the enormous cooler to the questionable performance. [/QUOTE] Couldn%26#39;t agree more.  Dailytech being the sister site of anandtech, I simply can%26#39;t imagine motivation for them to purposely try and make AMD look bad.  I don%26#39;t feel like their reported performance makes AMD look bad but is probably a pretty realistic look.  BTW, they never signed a NDA.   
The thing is, DT not being under NDA is working against them as pretty much every NDA-bound guys are saying their results are way off-base. What%26#39;s more questionable now is how it might be that they%26#39;ve obtained the samples through their sister site, Anandtech, and how that would clearly violate their NDA with AMD/ATI. All these guys and sites are calling DT%26#39;s benches a farce: Kombatant: www.kombatant.com AMD/ATI employee, (ex) Beyond3D/Rage3D mod:

On a serious note, I still see some stuff out there that have no merit. Patience.

They christened the OEM version we%26#39;ve known and loved for quite a few months as an ''XTX''. That should tell you a lot about their credibility actually.

Ok, so before this goes totally out of hand, let me say this, and this will be my final say on the matter, until the NDA is lifted: AMD made certain decisions concerning this card. I took a hard look out there, to see what%26#39;s being leaked, and it seems there are still some stuff that are totally made up - tbh, it smells like a FUD campaign to me, if I take into consideration certain emails that are flying around lately. Certainly there are some stuff out there that are true, and you will know which is which when the NDA lifts soonish. The journalists that were in Tunis certainly know, and are probably laughing at some of those at this minute.

So, to recap: What I%26#39;ve said in the past stands about the card (Sound_Card been on a mission to put all of my quotes in his sig so that we don%26#39;t miss anything ). Unfortunately I can%26#39;t reveal more at this point due to the NDA. And for those who are wondering, no, I am not a moderator/staff on Rage3D anymore, I stepped down two months ago, because it wouldn%26#39;t be ethical imo with the new job I now have to continue do work here.

As I said, some info out there are accurate, some are not. Whatever rumours are out there certainly won%26#39;t force AMD to reveal stuff sooner, that simply doesn%26#39;t work, whether you%26#39;re called Intel, AMD, nVIDIA or whatever.


Bum_JCRules @ THG (under NDA with cards):

Total Crap.. well almost:
While I am required to follow the NDA, the stuff up on Daily Tech today is almost worthless. Yes Anandtech was present in Tunisia (signing Non-disclosure agreements like the Inquirer), why they are posting this stuff is beyond me because their numbers are off. They must be only using the XP drivers and OS because the numbers in CF vs the GTX are very much different. So until I can officially comment on the architecture and the performance.. hold all of this as useless until the rest of the world writes about it.

I really would love to comment on this stuff...

I understand that DT and Anand are seperate but that is so childish. Derek was there and his cards got to his place of business before he returned home from Tunisia. That long board they have ... Not what Derek should have gotten in his delivery. That is all I will say before I go too far.


Kink (under NDA with cards):

Dailytechs benchmarks are inaccurate. Atleast in terms of 3dmark 06 (commenting on HD 2900 XT)


Metro.cl (under NDA with cards): www.chilehardware.com

laughable (whistling emoticon (wasn%26#39;t me))


BenchZowner (under NDA and has card):

1) These benchies from DailyTech are quite off the reality, that%26#39;s all I can say.

2)The 2900XTX %26 the 8800GTX are performing on par in Crysis at the moment ( direct info from a developer of the game )

3) Is it a deja-vu ? Remember the Mr Sanders case ? The...non invited to the press event at Ibiza editor of Hardware Analysis who wanted to ''punish'' ATi by publishing his...numbers of desire for the R580 ? He he, Deja-Vu

http://i12.tinypic.com/2py29hz.png

''Do I really have to express myself here ?
If these guys are so called my colleagues ( as of being reviewers like me ) then I should feel ashamed, really Evil or Very Mad

What are we looking at here ?

a) They used a better test system today, better drivers ( supposed to be ) and they managed to get the 2900XT to perform worse than their previews bench session with a worse test system %26 worse drivers ?
How come ?
On April 24 they got 84FPS on F.E.A.R. with the 2900XT with a QX6700 and pre-release drivers, and they got 79FPS today with a QX6800 and retail drivers ? Oh really ? Very Happy

b) Where%26#39;s the result for the 2900XT in Company Of Heroes today ? Why N/A ?

c) On Half-Life 2:E1 today they got the 2900XT to score 1FPS more than the 2900XTX.
What could%26#39;ve caused this ? A typo ? Quite angelic.
Something else ? Using a CPU limited resolution which would cause both cards to behave like they%26#39;re the same.And then there%26#39;s the GTX surpassing the R600s by ~40 FPS. Quite the real leap over the Radeon X1950XTX at that game. Evil ? heh

d) Now, the best part...they scored ~48FPS in Oblivion on the 24th, and now they present us a 54FPS gain by a move from the QX6700 to the QX6800 and the small gain from running the RAM at 1T Command Rate ?

e) A reviewer in order to conduct comparable and a valuable %26 trustworthy review must use the same testbed, quite they opposite is what they did ( if they really went through a performance testing process )

f) And for what reason would somebody present unclear results in combination with unclear drivers %26 filters ( AF %26 AA ) settings ?
***** right boy Very Happy

My two cents ( oh wait, I have another one ) [ I%26#39;ll save it for later ]

P.S. The stock core clock for the 2900XTX as of current is 800MHz and not 745MHz as they state.

P.S.2. That%26#39;s pretty much all I can say at the moment.

P.S.3. Now I have to finish a memory roundup and then pack my stuff for a trip.


What did Crysis lead Developer (has the cards) say about the two (G80GTX and R600XT)?

And remember, Crysis is a DX9 game with an additional DirectX 10 codepath which will only help in getting better performance (gains) for the ones with DX10 cards.

28th April:
I%26#39;m gonna spit out a very last detail ( before they get me behind the bars for disclosing information )

The 2900XTX is 4fps in front of the 8800GTX ( in average ) in Crysis ( information directly from a developer of the game )

The 2900XTX won%26#39;t be the G80 killer that everybody was expecting, but it%26#39;ll be in front in most cases, with little to good margins depending on the game and settings.

nVIDIA did a great job with the G80 this time, and the performance leap over the previous generation is huge and only compared to the R300 launch in the past


That%26#39;s STOCK clocks guys, it can OC high


BTW, from Fudzilla by ''mouth'': GeForce 8800 Ultra get 14000 scores in 3DMARK06 with no detail of test platform and no driver detail:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view%26id=678%26Itemid=1

From DailyTech: Radeon HD 2900XT get 14005 scores in 3DMARK06 with full detail of test platform and driver detail:
http://www.dailytech.com/Overc...+R600/article7044.htm


AND NONE of them are with with release drivers, look at the GPU clocks very carefully aswell, look for the silicon version, look at the benchmarks used aswell and the detail in each setting (compare), look at the motherboard used too and that 8800GTX is no where to be found BUT by BFG at $950 as a watercooled card. PLUS those are EARLY pre-release sample cards, ES samples if you understand what that means and do you remember the abysmal performance of the faulty 8800GTX early ES samples with the wrong resistor values on release? What about the driver optimization that took place over months on end to get decent performance? Joe is on the JEDEC board BTW, and an AMD/ATi employee who helped produce GDDR4 for X1950XTX and made it a killer product so now you are telling me after 2 years spent on it like nVidia had spent 4 years on the G80, and millions of dollars, it simply doesn%26#39;t beat the X1950 in benchmarks and no higher clock on the GDDR4? BTW, those benchmarks are not remotely correct either. We have 100%26#39;s of GTX split around in our corporation and my own work system has 2 in SLi at 650/2100 with watercooling. Seriously, some of them benchmarks for let%26#39;s say Oblivion, are 100% increased by h*ll knows what!

Hint #200: Memory clocks can go much higher and bandwidth (i.e. performance too) is much greater in upcoming titles and higher res/detail.

BTW the owner of Fudzilla, Fuad, is the ex-Graphics Editor of The Inquirer if you didn%26#39;t already know. Take everything with a brick of salt.


I%26#39;ll leave you with a little pre-release bang.... /quote So i%26#39;m just gonna reserve my judgement for the final release on the 14th.
This one is heating up!  Alot of other people that have the card are pretty much confirming what DT already has.  A few more days and we will know.  Imo, this card should crush both the GTX and the GTS in every game mark.  They have had the time to make this happen.
[QUOTE=''Taijiquan'']This one is heating up! Alot of other people that have the card are pretty much confirming what DT already has. A few more days and we will know. Imo, this card should crush both the GTX and the GTS in every game mark. They have had the time to make this happen. [/QUOTE]Yep we have two sides on the issue, those who are reflecting DT%26#39;s results, and those who aren%26#39;t.... best to wait really.. its like what...a few more days of wait lol.... we should at least give AMD/ATI that time to prove themselves.
[QUOTE=''jfelisario''][QUOTE=''Taijiquan'']This one is heating up! Alot of other people that have the card are pretty much confirming what DT already has. A few more days and we will know. Imo, this card should crush both the GTX and the GTS in every game mark. They have had the time to make this happen. [/QUOTE]Yep we have two sides on the issue, those who are reflecting DT's results, and those who aren't.... best to wait really.. its like what...a few more days of wait lol.... we should at least give AMD/ATI that time to prove themselves.[/QUOTE]

Whether or not the card's good, the damage is already done. You're going to forever have a sizable portion of the internet that thinks the 2900s suck against the 8800s because they heard it on the internet at some point.



Sort of like the BF2142 spyware thing. It was officially debunked after ~2 days, but people still believed it for months afterward.
[QUOTE=''Taijiquan'']This one is heating up! Alot of other people that have the card are pretty much confirming what DT already has. A few more days and we will know. Imo, this card should crush both the GTX and the GTS in every game mark. They have had the time to make this happen. [/QUOTE]Please link me one person under NDA and is confirming DT%26#39;s numbers.

All those people under NDA and their comments is from one of my posts originally...
I know about half of those people from their respected forum and trust them a lot more then DT, since DT used a WORKSTATION card with old, old drivers and then have their own numbers CONTRADICTING themselves...It basically shows how much a fanboy you are if you believe DT%26#39;s numbers...